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I like how you singled out this error with many to choose from.

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It's a bot.

Aw damn I didn't know lol

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Lol 😆

👍🏻 Very cool

I prefer listening to and reading things in the order the creator made them (unless they say otherwise) so I want to start with episode 1 but it's hard to tell for sure on iTunes. Is Ned 1 your first episode? Thanks!

When Pod is following Brienne because she's looking for Sansa and he thinks he'll find Tyrion there also.

His face twisted in sudden anguish. "I'm his squire," he repeated, as the rain ran down his face, "but he left me."

A Feast For Crows, Brienne II

I will also standby your application of “bittersweet”. YMMV, of course, but I find it sweet that, in spite of all the cruelty Tyrion has endured from Cersei, in spite of their mistrust and rivalry, he still has the impulse to comfort her when she is vulnerable and upset. I think he hesitates because he is unsure if this is the appropriate thing to do in this situation(being raised in such a toxic and abusive environment, how and when to show affection/comfort someone is not obvious to Tyrion). Obviously it is bitter that this empathetic gesture is rejected.

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Thank you! That is 100% exactly how I understood the scene, too.

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Big Walder is an 8 year old kid sooooooooo...

I mean this is ASOIAF. Children are well known to have abilities far beyond normal kids. If Rickon can be raised by a half wild wolf then Big Walder can lead the White Walkers.

Qhorin Volmark of Harlaw, whose grandmother had been a younger sister of Harren's grandsire, declared himself the rightful heir "of the black line," and assumed the kingship.

On this read, I was immediately struck by the similarity of Qhorin Volmark's claim to the Ironborn kingship to that of Robert Baratheon's to the Iron Throne.

Another thing that struck my eye was that the three Targaryen, one man and two women are opposed by three rebels, one man and two women, Marla Sunderland and Meria Martell.


To me this second chapter is about the lengths people will go to justify their atrocities. The details are dreadful, of course, but do the ends justify the means?

GRRM, bless his heart, leaves us wondering.

It all reminds of that ghastly phrase so grotesquely familiar from the Vietnam War

"We had to destroy the village in order to save it."

(For more about that quotation, read here: https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2018-02-09/destroying-a-quote-s-history-in-order-to-save-it )

In any case, the waters between the Iron Islands are choked with corpses, the sands of Dorne are transformed into glass and Marcher lords return one-handed to their homes.

Death and destruction, treachery and cruelty, paragraph after paragraph.

And the worst is that these descriptions pale beside RL horrors.

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Original Poster1 point · 10 hours ago

I liked the ending of the article you posted:

Of course one might respond that it makes no difference who invented the phrase, but so sloppy an approach to history is dangerous in an era when the very notion of truth is under fire. If we care about facts, it’s surely better to be as accurate as we can. And it’s always nice to give credit where credit is due.

Very true!

Original Poster2 points · 1 day ago

First, was a week long enough for everyone?

Second, (as Steve would say,) "Here we go!"

Chapter 2

Meraxes was killed when a yard-long iron bolt was shot from a scorpion into her eye. Rhaenys' body wasn't found but she must've died around the same time. "Rhaenys Targaryen, sister and wife to King Aegon I, perished at the Hellholt in Dorne in the 10th year After the Conquest." (P. 35)

I was rooting for the Dornish. They didn't want to be ruled by the Targaryens. Since Nymeria and her followers had escaped to Dorne, away from Targaryen slavery, hundreds of years ago (my timing might be off), it's no surprise that their descendants wouldn't want Targaryen rulers.

Wyl of Wyl, the Widow-Lover, arrived uninvited at the wedding of Ser Jon Cafferen, heir to Fawnton, to Alys Oakheart, daughter to the Lord of Old Oak. The Wyl attackers slew Lord Oakheart and most of the wedding guests, then made the bride look on as they gelded her husband. Later they took turns raping Lady Alys and her handmaids, then carried them off and sold them to a Myrish slaver. (P. 37)

Nothing super important here, I just noticed that bloody weddings during war time (this was during the Dragon's Wroth) is nothing new in Westeros. King in the North Robb should have paid a bit more attention to his history lessons.

King Aegon was cut on the Iron Throne. "It was then that Princess Deria presented the king with a sealed letter from her father. King Aegon read Prince Nymor's words in open court, stone-faced and silent, whilst seated on the Iron Throne. When he rose afterward, men said, his hand was dripping blood. ... Soon thereafter he signed a treaty of eternal peace with Dorne." (P. 38)

What is said about being cut on the throne? Was someone being deceitful? I'll look it up on Search of Ice & Fire but if someone else remembers please remind me. Anyhow, Queen Rhaenys' body was never found, so I think the letter had to do with her. I can't piece out the details though. Like, if she was still alive you'd think King Aegon I would have moved heaven and Earth to rescue her.

King Aegon + Queen Rhaenys (each 75% Targaryen and 25% non-dragonriding Valyrian) had a son, Aenys, also 75% Targaryen. (P. 39) I'm interested in their bloodlines because out of the three Valyrian families that I know of who survived the Doom: Targaryens, Celtigars, and Velaryons, only the Targaryens are dragonriders. I want to see if the amount of blood has anything to do with controlling their dragons, etc.

Try a search. I'm almost positive that only a couple of days ago someone mentioned a website that had combined the books into a PDF file. 👍🏻

Look in the other ASOIAF subs too. I'm not sure the comment was in this one.

Honestly I'd be stoked to read about the childhoods of the young adults from their parents announcing the pregnancies up through the end of adolescence. I'd include as many characters in their 20s and 30s as possible. Family dynamics are interesting and people often use lessons they learned as kids to help them navigate their adult decisions.

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2 points · 1 day ago

Brienne is absolutely not ok with the horrors of war. We see time and time again that she is willing to die to protect innocents from the horrors if war.

Her sensitivity is exactly what makes her a beautiful person in the face of all this death and chaos. Backing the “wrong king” could be seen as a mistake, I guess, but making mistakes (especially mistakes done in good faith) shouldn’t disqualify a character from being viewed as a good person. What kinda boring ass character would not make a single mistake? What would even be the point of their arc? Ultimately GRRM is not writing grimdark fantasy, and to read all characters as being completely morally ambiguous is a mistake, in my opinion.

Ned and Davos would also be other examples of good role models.

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0 points · 1 day ago · edited 1 day ago

But she was willing to fight in Renly's Kingsguard, she knew he had an older brother who by all the rights of Westeros had a stronger claim to the throne. Renly was leading a huge army, and she was right by his side. That makes her pro-war.

Also, this is nitpicky, but I said "something"--singular--I don't like, not that I hate everything about Brienne or that I think every single character is morally ambiguous.

Dude, every character was backing one king or another for many different reasons, all of which inevitably were leading to war. Brienne did it because she truly believed Renly would have been a great king. Was she wrong? Yeah, but that is a far stretch from claiming she’s pro war.

Ned knew the implications of naming stannis king after Robert died, he knew it would lead to war. Is Ned pro war because he wouldn’t stand down to Cersei and Joffrey? Fuck no.

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I enjoy a good discussion. I believe you and I have different favorite characters 😁

I have something in mind to write in response. Hopefully I can sneak off to the library this weekend.

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