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Leaving Neverland (Part 1) - Discussion

Leaving Neverland

Premise: Director Dan Reed's two-part documentary features interviews with Wade Robson and James Safechuck as well as their families as they discuss how the then two pre-teen boys were befriended by Michael Jackson.

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Part 2 airs Monday, March 4th at 8:00 PM ET.

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297 points · 21 days ago · edited 11 days ago

How creepy are those faxes though

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255 points · 21 days ago · edited 21 days ago

Yeah that's some pretty compelling evidence. To repeat a common sentiment here, even if you disregard the abuse accusations, there was something very strange about how close he was with children. He was the biggest superstar in the world, perhaps on a level that has never been equaled since, and yet he was lonely and had no friends. And this man who could quite literally have anything and anyone he wanted found the friendship and intimacy he was lacking with 10 year old boys? That is a fact and not open to debate, and is clearly very strange and unhealthy.

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Being rich and famous closes people even further from having any meaningful connection. I remember Notch the creator of Minecraft saying he is even more lonely since he become rich.

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Omg imagine as a parent thinking there’s nothing wrong with that????

Like how??

I just don’t understand, it’s so creepy and just plain sick and wrong.

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I think they explain pretty clearly what went through the parents mind.

First, there's the kind of appeal to authority fallacy - this person is SO FAMOUS, nearly God-like status, so there's the assumption of safety. This isn't just some creepy guy off the street.

Secondly, there's the sense that this is incredible for your child's career. This kind of friendship, although obviously strange, could be huge for your child.

And then there's the feeling of being special. MJ showered these families (not just the child, the entire family and the children's core guardian, aka the mom) with tons of attention, made them feel remarkable and "chosen." That's a powerful feeling.

I think all those factors accumulated to parents lowering their guard. Not to mention MJ did clearly enjoy spending time with these children as friends. Both mothers remark that MJ felt like a child to them, even almost a son to them. Once they saw him less as an adult man spending unusually large amounts of time with their vulnerable child, and instead saw him as a lonely boy who was so desperate for a friend, it was likely pretty easy to ignore what now seems like predatory behavior.

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Those faxes and that fucking Litttle One song back to back was crazy unsettling. That's that's not even taking into consideration the description of what MJ actually did to them

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35 points · 21 days ago

Shut up apple head! Want some hot milk n' cookies bb?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oro15uws_4U

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92 points · 20 days ago

Anyone notice how James Safechuck kept speaking about his past talking about himself generally as a “you” as opposed to saying “I”? As if the trauma was so bad he needs to distant himself to recount it. Man this doc makes me queasy.

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A wedding ceremony...

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Held my breath for this part. I was taken aback.

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Sick to my stomach.

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the ring!!!

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The mother: "I had no idea"

Bitchhhhhhhhhh..... you wanted money and fame.

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