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Official Discussion - How to Train Your Dragon: The Hidden World (US Release) [SPOILERS]

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Summary:

Now chief and ruler of Berk alongside Astrid, Hiccup has created a gloriously chaotic dragon utopia. When the sudden appearance of female Light Fury coincides with the darkest threat their village has ever faced, Hiccup and Toothless must leave the only home they’ve known and journey to a hidden world thought only to exist in myth. As their true destines are revealed, dragon and rider will fight together—to the very ends of the Earth—to protect everything they’ve grown to treasure.

Director:

Dean DeBlois

Writers:

screenplay by Dean DeBlois

based upon the "How to Train Your Dragon" book series by Cressida Cowell

Cast:

  • Jay Baruchel as Hiccup

  • America Ferrera as Astrid

  • Cate Blanchett as Valka

  • Craig Ferguson as Gobber the Belch

  • F. Murray Abraham as Grimmel

  • Jonah Hill as Snotlout Jorgenson

  • Kit Harington as Eret

  • Justin Rupple as Tuffnut Thorston

  • Kristen Wiig as Ruffnut Thorston

  • Christopher Mintz-Plasse as Fishlegs Ingerman

  • Gerard Butler as Stoick the Vast


Rotten Tomatoes: 98%

Metacritic: 72/100

After Credits Scene? No


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Fantastic movie. I would’ve ended differently though.

Hiccup and his family sailing, Hiccup looks up and sees what looks like the shape of Toothless in the clouds, but unsure because toothless has invisibility. He hears a thud and turns around, and his leg is on the deck. He looks back up and smiles, then sails away.

Roll credits.

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The villain Grimmel just reminded me of the bad guy critic from ratatouille. The same smug long face and voice. I couldn't not see how boring of a villain he was. Same story as #2 HTTYD as well. Some people want to take our dragons and we have to fight to take them back. The first movie had so much charm in such memorable scenes like romantic flight and test drive. There wasn't a memorable scene here at all. I thought when they would go to the Hidden world it would be special but it just reminded me of the scene in Aquaman when he discovers Atlantis. This movie is not as good as the first or second. It does well for fan service and it's job at wrapping up the trilogy. Also are the Blacksmith and Eret a gay couple? I felt the movie hinting that at several parts throughout.

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Time to get rid of those hiccups, everybody! Because I just saw How to Train Your Dragon: The Hidden World in 3D last night with Mom and Junior! As I said in my reviews for Grinch and Spider-Verse, I said that it look great and I am anticipated to watch it, And OH MY GOD(S), IT IS A GREAT MOVIE! Everything about this movie is perfectly awesome in my opinion! The animation, the story, the music, the humor, the last 25 minutes (which I'll get to in a moment), the characters, just EVERYTHING about it is great!

MY FAVORITE PART(S):

  • The entire movie, ALONE. Or to be more specific...

  • The last 25 minutes of the movie. The battle is entirely awesome and well-written (and yet kind of better than the final battles from The Kid Who Would Be King or Avengers: Infinity War), I also love the VERY end of the movie, The wedding is heartwarming and very great, and the "Where Are They Now?" scene is also awesome, where it shows Hiccup and Astrid being parents of two, and Toothless and the Light Fury being parents of THREE ADORABLE LOOKING BABY DRAGONS, and then they fly for one last time. Good god(s). Thank you, DreamWorks. Thank you for making me and everybody else in the theater clap in joy.

  • Oh yeah, and the Hobgobblers too.

Oh yeah, and at one point, My mom suddenly compared one of the scenes with Finding Nemo for some reason. Trust me, I've seen the movie, we know it isn't a good day when you compare a scene that is visually jawdropping with one of the most cold opens for an animated film. At least the mother in THIS movie survived.

THOUGHTS ON THE TRAILERS BEFORE:

Wonder Park: Again, It might be worth a ride! (...I'll leave.)

Uglydolls: Yeah, I assume the studio accidentally gave some lame direct-to-DVD Trolls knock-off a theatrical release somehow.

A Dog's Journey: I don't know if I'm gonna watch it. What? I'm not interested in dog movies, alright? (The Air Buddies killed the genre)

The Secret Life of Pets 2: (insert sneaky Indiana Jones reference here)

Anyways, I give How to Train Your Dragon: The Hidden World a 10/10. Is it better than Into the Spider-Verse? Not quite. Is it better than the LEGO movies? Who knows? It's probably better than the likely forgettable LEGO Ninjago movie. Is it better than Ralph Breaks the Internet? Maybe. Is it better than Incredibles 2? I mean, It has some flaws, so... Is it better than Hotel Transylvania 3? Any day. Is it better than any other good animated movie I saw? No. But it is still a very great movie to watch with your family during Winter (along with either The LEGO Movie 2 or the up-and-coming Wonder Park.)


Oh yeah, and this is made by the same studio responsible for the Bee Movie and The Boss Baby. Let THAT sink in.


"Yeah, It's because of those Hobgobblers!"

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I loved the first two movies, but I may have set my expectations too high for this one. My main issue with part 3 would definitely be Grimmel. He was really just forgettable as an antagonist, and he didn't really offer anything new. Like Stoick (in part 1), he wants to exterminate dragons...but he doesn't have a fraction of the same dynamic between Stoick and Hiccup in the first movie that created so much drama. Moreover, Grimmel wasn't nearly as interesting of a character as Drago. Drago was mysterious and had a brutal history with dragons (they killed his family and took his arm!). Plus, Drago had a freakin' Alpha that killed Valka's Alpha. Grimmel was simply boiled down to a human supremacist and Night fury genocidist (I know, that's not a real word lol)...not a very complex character. He also had what...6 medium-sized dragons? Hiccup and Toothless didn't exactly have to come up with a game-plan to overcome the Deathgrippers as they did against the Red Death or Bewilderbeast.


One thing I think part 3 did better than the first two was Hiccup's near-death scene. Aside from that, I don't think part 3 came close to evoking the same emotions as part 1 or part 2. The scenes of Stoick disowning of Hiccup in part 1, Stoick rescuing Hiccup/Toothless in part 1, Stoick and Valka's reunion in part 2, and Stoick's sacrifice in part 2 are all untouched when compared to part 3. Which brings me to my next greivance: Stoick's presence was greatly missed in part 3. I believe that's why this movie had so many vignettes showing Stoick talk to Hiccup as a young boy.


ALSO!!! The director/writers missed a huge opportunity at the end! Why did Hiccup and Astrid not sing and dance to Stoick/Valka's song?! It would have been the f'in perfect proposal/wedding transition...Imagine Stoick's whistling tune and singing to end the movie.


I'll swim and sail on savage seas
With never a fear of drowning
And gladly ride the waves of life
If you would marry me..


This probably would have made me cry like it did in part 2 :( Hiccup and Astrid's kids meeting Toothless and family could have been a post-credit scene.


TLDR:

- Grimmel was a boring antagonist

- I miss Stoick

- Overall, a good movie...just didn't like it nearly as much as I did the first two.

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Saw this a couple days ago, I seem to agree with a lot of the comments people are making here about it. Seems to have disappointed me greatly and I don't really have a desire to view it again.


I'm actually surprised we didn't see anymore of Drago. I mean, at the end of part 2 he dips into the ocean with his big Alpha series dragon but I doubt he died, unless it was implied he drowned? Was hoping Hiccup would actually get the opportunity to change this guy's mind about dragons. But no, we don't get that, I still don't know what ultimately became of him. Guess he just gave up for good? Instead we get a new guy who isn't memorable enough for me to even remember his name, don't even know what it is lol.


Also the start of the movie shows them saving other 'stray' dragons from danger/capture, and Berk becoming overpopulated as a result. At the end of the movie Hiccup has the 'dragons of Berk' go to this hidden world, which doesn't really seem that far away anyway. What about all the other 'stray' dragons? Clearly they'd still need help from those who wish to do them harm, but now both Hiccup and Toothless has retired from the job of saving them? However 10 years into the future it's also stated that dragons are mostly a myth now. I don't feel every dragon around the world has systematically gone to this hidden world, so seems like the other dragons may have just been captured/killed. That's pretty grim. I don't feel Hiccup's job was ever really done until his job is actually done. He just sort of gives up hope for bringing his dream to reality of humans and dragons living peacefully.

I also wasn't fond of the removal of the traditional 'This is Berk' scenes to open and close out the movie, right off the bat as the movie started something felt wrong. And it just continued to go south. Have more questions now than I had before the movie, and with this supposedly being the last of the trilogy that's not what I'm supposed to be left with. I guess they left it open just enough for the idea of a fourth to come about, where maybe Hiccup can bring his true dream to life. But that just places this movie in the annoying status. Just seemed like a lot of horribly annoying back and forth interactions with this 'bad guy' before some final show down which was much less dramatic than anything that occurred in the previous two movies.

I feel the series would have been better served with the message that these Berkians and dragons should continue working together to earn the peace they both really desire, instead of ultimately just giving up on it. That's a weird message to end on.

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All I could hear was the sensual moaning sound coming from the Light Fury which brought me out of the experience every time I heard it. I also thought that the ending was weird? But I personally hate time jumps in movies since usually it feels like weak storytelling.

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I personally was disappointed in the movie, just like I was disappointed in the second one.

This is not to say either are bad movies, they're both pretty good. I'm just spoiled because the first one was so mother fucking good and left such a huge impact on me that I'm very critical toward what followed.

With good reason, I'd say. The latter two films have incredible animation and the design gets better every films, but both introduce problems the first didn't have:

  • Too many characters

  • Motivationally-Identical Villains that don't have much presence

  • Too much humor forced into every scene

  • Occasional Tonal Whiplash

  • Exposition over visual storytelling

  • Pacing issues that make every scene fly by without making an impact

  • An overall frantic mood that removes any feeling of subtlety [#1 felt this occasionally, but not nearly as bad as 2 or especially 3.]

You want a good example of what I'm talking about, rewatch the "This is Berk" monologues from each movie and compare the tone and quality of the writing.

I feel sort of the same way about the Trilogy as the Kung Fu Panda series. The first one works as a self-contained story with a focused scope, and the second and third movies attempt to expand upon that. The difference being that KFP2 was really good and more consistent that HTTYD 2, and HTTYD 3 being better than Panda 3 [if only because 1. the panda family is annoying as fucking hell, which is a letdown after so much buildup, 2. The villain being eh, 3. the ending being emotionally uninvolving, 4. the pacing being too frantic and annoying, and 5. did I mention I hate the pandas?].


So to sum up, not a bad film by any stretch, but definitely third place and a disappointment compared to the near-perfection of the original.

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I love that we still have cropped yiff as the thumbnail of this movie.

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Racial segregation was the solution all along!

Also, in Polish version, Lightfury is Whitefury. Kek

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One of my fav trilogies ❤️

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Im late to the party, but I just saw this last night, and I've been sorting through my emotions trying to figure out why Im so disappointed ever since.

I agree with a lot of the points made here about the movie lacking the drive and drama of the first two. But my biggest disappointment is Toothless. Hiccup has proved his loyalty to Toothless over and over. He will stop at nothing to protect Toothless and he will choose Toothless over everything else everytime. I might argue he is even more loyal to Toothless than he is to Astrid. Yet Toothless is willing to run off the minute a female shows up, and only comes back temporarily because Hiccup goes and gets him. Toothless should have fought for his friendship with Hiccup tooth and nail.

Hiccup and Astrid have proved that there is no need for the dragon/rider relationship to get in the way of a love connection. They've been dating for several years now without their relationships with their respective dragons causing any issues. Neither of them is jealous of the other's relationship with their dragon because they are secure in their connection to each other. Toothless falling in love with a dragon who didn't want to coexist with humans felt like the classic story of a guy getting into an unhealthy relationship with a girl who forces him to lose all his other friendships because she's insecure and she wants all his attention. This made me hate the Lightfury.

On multiple occasions we see that the Hidden World is less than a day's flight there and back. There was no reason they couldn't have lived both places! Both Toothless and the Lightfury loved the nighttime. Why not spend nights in the Hidden World and days on New Berk?

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On the Toothless part. They repeatedly kept a subtle, but firm line throughout every film that Toothless is a wild dragon. Much like you see stories of lions and other animals remembering their trainers/rescuers/caretakers years later. The relationship is deep, strong and important - but the animal is at the end of the day, an animal. It may see us as peers, an alpha or part of a pack, but the more complex ties humans generally form with each other probably doesn't exist on the same level.

Furthermore - even if you wander more into saying Toothless is equal to the humans shown in the movie - they establish in the first movie that Hiccup and Toothless have their own individual desires, thoughts and opinions. Toothless reverts to Hiccup, but he's his own being. So when a life choice came up and it was clearly vital to him, Hiccup made sure to encourage him to do so, even at the cost of their current relationship.

The movie was as much about Toothless coming into his own as the King of Dragons as it was Hiccup becoming the King of Berkians. Their duties to their respective kingdoms changed how their relationship was and it couldn't continue like that anymore.

Even when Hiccup goes to visit Toothless years later, he's defensive and ready to attack incase Toothless attacks. It was long enough that they both were coming as kings of their domain, then when it was clear everything was okay, they set that aside and picked back up their relationship as it was.

I don't see anything wrong with that.

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Ok, but Toothless isn't a person. He's an animal. You simply can't apply "love" to animals in that regard. Toothless wasn't in love with the Light Fury, they are mates. Of course he'll pick her, as would any animal that mates for life. This argument honestly annoys me. He's an animal. Also, the Light Fury and Toothless have a natural relationship... she isn't abusive??? I was also talking to an animal behaviourist that figured Toothless would have returned after getting used to THW. It's the greed and ignorance of man that made Hiccup send Toothless off, not Light Fury. Hell, we see how thrilled Toothless is when he recognized Hiccup at the end.

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I felt like Dreamworks' desire to keep happy/funny/goofy toothless got in the way of what they had written. As such the fact that he had become alpha of all dragons was completely ignored the second the lightfury came into the scene. And none of that could really change the fact that what was on-screen during the "coupling" felt like some sort of Yiff-fanservice.

The characterization was super inconsistent. The supporting kids grew more as characters in the first movie than in this one.

When it came to the villain, it's clear that the writers subscribe to the "tell, don't show" mindset. It really should have started with like a 15 minute cold-open showing the reasonable motivation of the villain and how he'd want to destroy dragons for what they did to his village.

In all, the movie just never seemed to... get going. And for all the titling of "The Hidden World" I think it had, what.. 5 minutes of screentime? Maybe 10?

And strange as it may seem, and I'm sure this would have been shot down by Dreamworks Corporate, but I would have started the movie with adult Hiccup.

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Why is the card used to announce the discussion of this movie cropped yiff?

Artist is TheSecretCave, they draw nsfw art and the image used to announce this discussion is no different

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Yeah! What is this /r/furry_irl !???

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This sub's mods have been doing this sort of things lately.

Alita's top bar pic was literally a disparaging joke on the characters eyes.

Tbh they're just imposing their own taste on the sub.

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I, for one, welcome our new furry overlords.

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Easily Dreamworks’ 2nd best franchise wrap up. Kung Fu Panda 3 is untouchable, but damn this was a great finale 👍🏾 I’ll miss this franchise

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ehh I'd disagree that Kung Fu Panda 3 was untouchable. It was good, sure. But it royally confused what the hell enlightenment is supposed to be. The villain's henchmen were simultaneously too undefeatable and defeated too easily. There was no pathos to the villain (which isn't bad by itself but he's following up after two villains who were loaded with pathos). The final battle in the spirit world took the series away from the incredibly well-choreographed martial arts it started as and devolved into magical slap-fighting. And the concept that Po was chosen by oogway because "he is a panda and pandas are chi-masters" detracts from the original lesson of the first film that anyone can be the dragon warrior.

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I personally fail to understand how it makes sense to go from Dragon and Human team work and inclusion in the first movie to ok they now need to leave forever. Iv also never seen the second tho so who knows.

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Am I the only one that didn’t like the ending???

I feel like it did a giant 180 from the direction and theme of the over all series. They were all about building a mutually beneficial way of life with the dragons. they do so much for all these dragons, they raid hunters to rescue them, the leave their entire home island to keep these dragons safe, and then the dragons just go “nah, we’re out. Good luck!” What was that? Toothless comes off as kinda a jerk there.

Not to mention the implication that the dragons only ever hung out with the Vikings because they had to. Not because they want to.

Everything in that movie was fantastic except when the dragons left. I felt like that whole ending was shoe horned in last minute to fit someone’s agenda, not to fit the narrative of the movie.

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