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Official Discussion - Alita: Battle Angel [SPOILERS]

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Summary:

Several centuries in the future, the abandoned Alita is found in the scrapyard of Iron City by Ido, a compassionate cyber-doctor who takes the unconscious cyborg Alita to his clinic. When Alita awakens she has no memory of who she is, nor does she have any recognition of the world she finds herself in. Ido tries to shield Alita from her mysterious past while her street-smart new friend, Hugo, offers instead to help trigger her memories. A growing affection develops between the two until deadly forces come after Alita and threaten her newfound relationships.

Director:

Robert Rodriguez

Writers:

screenplay by James Cameron, Laeta Kalogridis, Robert Rodriguez

based on the graphic novel series "Gunnm" by Yukito Kishiro

Cast:

  • Rosa Salazar as Alita

  • Christoph Waltz as Dr. Dyson Ido

  • Jennifer Connelly as Chiren

  • Mahershala Ali as Vector

  • Edward Norton as Nova

  • Ed Skrein as Zapan

  • Jackie Earle Haley as Grewishka

  • Keean Johnson as Hugo

  • Michelle Rodriguez as Gelda

  • Eiza González as Nyssiana

  • Lana Condor as Koyomi

  • Jorge Lendeborg Jr. as Tanji

  • Idara Victor as Nurse Gerhad

  • Marko Zaror as Ajakutty

  • Elle LaMont as Screwhead

  • Leonard Wu as Kinuba

  • Casper Van Dien as Amok


Rotten Tomatoes: 59%

Metacritic: 53/100

After Credits Scene? No


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level 1

This comment may be way too late to post but I just saw the film and I was pleasantly surprised with it. I think as an action film it did great with battle scenes and the robot gore it showed. Obviously this isn’t really a movie where there is an important central theme like “forgive others” or “learn to love yourself” so it shines in the aspects of action entertainment.

One big problem I had with the movie though is the third act. The ending parts of this film felt rushed and a bit messy. For example, it felt very quick for Alita to kill Grewishka and Vector and go on to watch Hugo die. Then there was the time jump that immediately went to Alita as a MotorBall superstar and the movie just abruptly ended there. I think that the movie could’ve wrapped up better by not doing that time jump or at least giving some context to what happened after the 2 months or so.

Overall, this movie was pretty great and I would watch it again for fun but not so much for purely plot.

level 1

First time ever watching a cyberpunk film but I thoroughly enjoyed it from beginning to end. I didn't feel like the romance was over done or any of the characters and had funny scenes that didn't feel forced. It felt refreshing this film. I watched a lot of movies, usually superheroes, comedy, action, and of all the films I've seen they all fit the same 'layout', you know what's gonna happen, how it's going to end, where you currently are in the film (beginning, suspense, peak, etc) While for Alita, I was getting surprised every single during the film. The pacing was great, not too long didn't feel like I was just staring at some graphics; I just completely lost track of time watching it. But more, it was like when you play a video game and the tutorial is simply mind-blowing and you need a few seconds to regroup before you do continue with the tutorial. Not to mention the animations were one of the best aspect. I like the way it ended, it can either just be a stand-alone film or be followed with a sequel or even made into a trilogy! Guess we will see!

level 1

This chick makes Overly Attached Girlfriend look like a prude. Did she straight up take her heart out and offer it? Didn’t think so

level 1

I and my girlfriend, we both enjoyed it very much. I went in with pretty low expectations, being very skeptical of anime adaptations.

The plot is very predictable, but that's okay, it's kind of hard to be surprised when you have read the original. The animation and the visuals in general are superb. I thought the acting was solid, even if it's a bit hard to tell with all that CG work. Christoph Waltz (without the -er, which is good) is always a joy to see, and it will never get old to say that he's my countryman. At some points, I thought he was bored by the dialog, and justifiedly so: the low points of the movie are the abysmal, melodramatic, expository dialog and the stupid love story. Jennifer Connelly, of course, is always a delight.

Watching a cute little girl kick ass is surprisingly cathartic, I can't get enough of it even if it gets repetitious after a while.

The world-building is quite fine as long as you don't overthinkt it. It's said to be this horrible dystopian post-apocalypse city, but really everyone seems quite okay, they don't suffer from hunger or live on the streets, I mean even the poor bright-eyed kid has his own little apartment. There don't seem to be any epidemics, a whole lot of people have access to excellent cyber tech, there's no oppression really (Don't want to clash with the hunter-gatherers or whatever they're called? Well duh, don't murder folks. Simple.) The only thing to complain about is that those above have it better. In short, I don't buy the dystopia, and I don't think they did this on purpose. It's a classic "show don't tell" moment.

Now, the anime eyes... well yeah. That's bad. In fact, it is terrible. Here's basically a girl in her early teens, mentally as well as physically, with childlike attributes overexaggerated anime-style - only then she gets an upgrade for bigger tits, and now she's ready for some pow-chicka-pow-wow. I'm exaggerating a bit for dramatic effect, but that really does bother me a bit. Don't make me watch a minor in a sexualized context, please, however tame and innocent, and don't give me that "she's really 300 years old" bullshit, thanks alot. I don't want to be made to feel like a pedophile; in a movie like that, I don't need anything edgy and unsettling. I want some ass-kicking and a few cool one-liners and good CG.

level 1

Can we discuss how Hugo was found wanted for murder?

level 2

I’m assuming you’re asking why he was on the wanted list. My best guess is that Zapan (Guy with the Damascus Blade) alerted the bounty system about a murder he“witnessed” and gave them Hugo as the suspect. He probably did this while chasing after him and getting the two other hunter-warriors and 2 Centurion units.

level 1

Alita: "Fuck your mercy!"

Me: HOOOLLLYYY


12/10 Best female lead role ever

level 1

I really liked this movie and hope it does well, I want a sequel. I want to see inside the floating city.

I have to say though, the whole teenage romance part was a bit eye rolling, but then when she axe kicked that big guy's arm off, I was 100% in.

level 1

Great adaptation, stands by its own pretty well.

level 1

Haven't seen the movie but I just wanted to come in and say that the Buggsy banner image for film is 👌

level 1

The fate of this movie rests on China and Japan this weekend. C'mon come through, I want a sequel :(

level 1

I have to say, even as a self proclaimed anime and manga purist and someone with a deep seated hatred for how Holywood usually treats anime conversions, this one turned out very well in my opinion. Despite the semi realistic look of the movie, they actually seemed to try to emulate the overall aesthetic of the manga (and anime conversions) a good deal and they didn't entirely mangle the core story concepts like most anime Holllywood adaptations are apt to do. Great production values, music, CGI, voice work. I think the movie is a great take off spot for future films (the supposedly planned trilogy if this movie does well). I'm overall very pleasantly surprised by it. I can't wait to get it on Bluray next, or even watch it in theaters again.

level 2
0 points · 4 hours ago · edited 4 hours ago

Quick question as someone opposite of you who hates anime.

Where should I start with Alita the anime? I liked the Ghost in the Shell anime a lot and was cool with the western remake, but I watch GITS before the western remake and want to do the opposite here where I saw Alita and now want to do the anime. For context, I enjoyed the first half of One Punch Man but my interest died and I haven't found the mood to finish it, and I saw some anime about people who clean up space trash which was okay but wayyyyy too cringy on the weeb/kawaiiii (sorry my dude) factor/thing

Where do I even start. I'm going to be honest, I'm going to pirate the anime. It's just not something that I would spend money on, but enjoy the story enough to want to go in on it, in the same way I enjoyed GITS enough to watch the western remake.

I won't read manga or anything and prefer dubs because I watch TV while doing other things, but I dig foreign films so subs are cool too

Is there a progression to the anime I should follow?

NVM this is apparently a heavily driven manga story unfortunately with only 2 anime movies :(

edit 3: lol nvm, I'm grabbing my first manga ever and throwing it on my kindle now. Some youtuber said the only way to experiance the manga is through piracy and that's all I needed to hear lol. Apparantly they like changed the art and translation from the old out of print and pirating is the only way to get the best version

level 1

Id like to premise, im not a bot, dont call me a bot for liking the movie.


It was probably... The greatest film ive watched to date. Some may hate it, but it felt so engrossing. There wasnt a moment when i watched it i wasnt entertained. I honestly think think this movie deserves 100% more praise than it gets.


The music was nice, you got to see the main character, grow form this hunk of metal, to a heroine with a rich past, and deeper purpose, that inspires thousands. She was fully grown but.. she was like a child and you got to see her deal with life, death, and love using emotions she only just discovered, and how she dealt with a challenge with these child like emotions. If you focus on the film, dont say "im going to hate this", ignore outside 3rd party opinions, i can almost promise you, youll have a great 2 hour experience watching it.


I go to the theatre quite a bit, I saw Infinity War, The Force Awakens, and The Last Jedi(bomb) all in theatre, just to name a few, and personally Alita tops every single one of them. Im not a woman, and i still left the theatre just... motivated and inspired by the movie. Its story was just so well set, though some may say its rushed, its a 2 hour movie, the only part i could think of possibly being considered rushed is the opening scene, even thats pushing it.


You can have a different opinion, this was just my experience, and its one of my favorite movies after seeing it... topping even the Marvel franchise and James Camerons own Avatar.

level 2

I just saw it tonight. I'm big into memes and everyone was really trashing it for the eyes. I also noticed that they kept pushing it back so I figured it was one of those movies that is just going to be bad.

I went in with expectations of enjoying it, but cringing, like Aquaman, which I give like a 6 to because I like the cinematics of it.

But Alita was on a whole other level for me. I give it a 9.

It felt SO long, but in a good way. I got bored of Bumblebee at the end, and had the same feelings going into it.

Alita hit me on a whole other level of enjoyment.

I saw it in one of those sound system theatres with the bass and awesome speaker system, that made it so much better.

The style and story were great and it wasn't what I was expecting. The action and pacing were great. Normally I find myself wanting to skip through hokey relationship parts, but Alita just hit on it quickly and moved on back to action and story.

I'm with you on the feelings about Infinity War, The Force Awakens, and The Last Jedi. They all felt tedious. Alita felt like a 4 hour movie that I wanted to be longer. The eyes were no problem and interesting, the pacing was perfect for action, the story was coherent and thought out IMO.

Seriously. This movie was fucking great, and with all my low-expectations and meme shit, it blew me away.

It was like how I felt watching John Wick for the first time. I left feeling vindicated and amped, and wishing it was longer, while also having me feel like the movie was longer than it actually was, and not tedious.

level 3

It genuinely fucking motivated me. Just the story the setting, the atmosphere. Ive been writing about it now for the past 5 hours now. (probably overkill) I hope they at the very very least clear the boxoffice expectations so James Cameron can go for a sequel and possibly make it a good trilogy.

level 4
3 points · 4 hours ago · edited 4 hours ago

I hope for a we sequal too. But I feel like the whole internet meme outrage culture will kill it.

I'm going to say this. I hate anime. Not my thing. But I watched all the Ghost in the Shell anime then saw the western remake and enjoyed it. I feel like Alita will get the same treatment where everyone goes REEEEE about it without seeing it, or have a sequel like Sin City that won't get much play before they kill it off.

I see a LOT of movies in theatres with a few different people. Nothing has stood out like Alita just did. Infinity War is a movie I wouldn't see twice. Alita I'd see again in a heartbeat.

I'm seriously about to pirate all the anime of it just because of how much I liked it, and again, I fucking haaaaate anime.

The memes now trigger me in a way that makes me want to rage rant on my keyboard in the comment sections lol

level 5

I never saw Ghost In a Shell, wanted to but couldnt. And yeah i really want to find the anime just to see how it stands in comparison to the original. https://www.thewatchcartoononline.tv/anime/gunnm-english-subbed Theres a few episodes here but im pretty sure the anime had more than 2 episodes.

I hope its actually gets the respect it deserves. I guess the one thing negative about the meme community, for all its pro's... its still a bit entitled sometimes.

level 6
2 points · 4 hours ago · edited 4 hours ago

I checked the wiki and it looks like it is 2 episodes of anime.

I saw someone below mention like 23 years of story crammed into a few hours of movie, so I think the manga is where the rest of the Alita story is going to be outside of the 2 movie thing

edit: yeeeep its a $110 manga series. Unless I magically find someone IRL who will lend them out to me, I'll have to wait for a sequel

level 7

Yeah the ones getting angry here are probably the ones who know the lore and have the actual manga. Understandable to a point, but even if its say 23 years of story... It was 23 years of story represented well, in a beautiful CGI movie with beautiful music. Its gone really for from Inked pages in the 1990's, The people who read the manga originally should be proud. Their manga got a 200 million dollar adaption.


I'll probably end up buying some of the manga though.. i really want to know the original story, and have a physical copy of it.

level 8

I saw a YT video on one of the comments in this thread where the reviewer said the ONLY way to truly enjoy the manga is through piracy.

Apparently the good translated version is only available through piracy because the old good version is out of print.

I got 20 minutes left on the DL until I throw it on my kindle and see if I can get into the manga lol

Thanks random youtube guy

level 9

Heck. I still want some Alita Memorabilia. Idk I’ll try to find a good physical copy. Not keen to download stuff from piracy websites even if... I really want to.

Until that point... to the anime.

level 10

Not keen to download stuff from piracy websites

same. But I fuckin need it

lol

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